Review: Mac Pro 2 x 2.66Ghz
Apple August 17th, 2007After having the machine for just over 6 weeks, I feel the time is right to post some more detailed views about my 2.66Ghz Apple Mac Pro.
This review is based on (almost) baseline specifications of the shipping Mac Pro, with an additional 2GB of RAM and an extra 500GB data hard drive.
Mac Pro 2 x 2.66Ghz, 3GB RAM (now 5GB) , 250GB + 500GB HDD.

Performance
Coming off an iMac 1.83Ghz Core Duo, the Mac Pro is no small leap in the grand scheme of things. I was going from a Core Duo processor to a Quad Xeon processor. 2 cores to 4 cores. 1GB of RAM to 3GB of RAM. A 160GB HDD to 750GB of total HDD space - the Mac Pro performs just as it looks on paper, amazing.
I’ve had a few requests for different speed testing, so here are some quick results. Bootup time is under 30 seconds, depending on how many startup items I have enabled. I can generally boot in under 30 seconds, no longer enough time for a quick snack break in-between restarts.
Handbrake performs beautifully on the Mac Pro taking full advantage of all 4 Cores in the system. My custom encoding settings are H.264 at 2000kbps, and I can encode at around 60 frames per second, a huge leap over the 20 frames per second I was getting with the older iMac. When ripping with the MP4 file format, 100fps is easily achieved, making a DVD rip a super quick process of just 20 minutes.
I’m impressed at how well the machine takes advantage of four processing cores, and how well tasks are distributed over them all. This will become even more noticeable in Leopard, as much of the operating system is designed to take advantage of more than two processor cores, mening speed-ups are on the cards for even owners of the older PowerMac models.
Although speedy, I feel the Mac Pro needs more than 3GB of RAM for the tasks I’m putting it under. I expect to be adding another 2GB taking the system total to 5GB in the near future. (Update: 5GB is now in the machine.)

Setup Process
I had heard installing hard drives and RAM into the Mac Pro was a quick and easy 5 minute task, much easier than in any other Mac ever released. I was initially not worried at all about the RAM installation, however the hard drive installation process scared me, it looked a little more complex.
Upon unpacking the machine and before the first boot, I removed the side door off the tower and proceeded to remove the RAM trays. Installing the RAM was a dead simple process which took all but three minutes. The HDD was almost as easy, taking just 5 minutes. Put the drive in the slider, tighten the screws, and slide it back in. It’s as easy as that.
The first boot-up was a little scary, due to the power being cut just as I was in the account setup process. Overall, I’m very happy with how easy this machine is to upgrade - looking forward to having to pop the tower open again in the future when I purchase more RAM/HDDs. Both the machine and drives are super quiet, even more so than the Intel iMac’s. The drives are both Seagate for those wondering, occasional writing can be heard on the disk, however I found it very easy to sleep in the same room while the machine is on.
Upgradability & Limitations
For those still tossing up between the baseline Mac Pro and a “lesser” system from Apple such as the iMac or Mac mini - take the plunge, spend the extra and get the Mac Pro.
Lets take a look at the limitations of both the new iMac and the Mac Pro:
iMac 24″, 4GB RAM, 1TB HDD, 2 displays running at 1920×1200.
Mac Pro, 32GB RAM, 4 x 1TB HDD, 2 display running at 2560×1600 (on ATI card)
Although I’ve questioned if my decision to purchase this machine was correct after the recent 4th generation iMac announcement, I’ve come to my senses are realized I made the right choice. Afterall, I won’t need a new machine for years, if I had bought the iMac, I’d already want to upgrade to the new aluminum one - see? It’s a never ending cycle.

Design
Keeping the same basic design of the older Power Mac tower and translated it over to the Mac Pro. I’m a big fan of the aluminium tower as it fits perfectly under my desk and although heavy, it isn’t the biggest thing to have to find a place for - still a lot slimmer than towers from companies such as Dell.
Internally, the Mac Pro is miles different from the previous Power Mac tower. It’s much more organized, has a much better airflow, and makes upgrades a swift and painless task.
I’m very impressed in the work the Apple design team invested into making the Mac Pro so simply functional to operate and perform upgrades on, you need to pop one open in person to see how exceptional it really is.
Concluding Thoughts
I’ve been blown away by the Mac Pro. The ability to run dozens of applications at once is priceless, I no longer have to keep an eye on system resources to see what applications need exiting, I can simply leave them all running in the background. One day I didn’t even notice both Aperture & Final Cut Express were open while I worked for a full 12 hours with no slowdown. Simply stunning.
Update: I’ve installed an additional 2GB of RAM taking the machine to 5GB. Much, much snappier. Page-outs are almost zero.
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August 17th, 2007 at 7:52 am
Glenn,
Your review is wonderful! I cant wait to see what you can do with your macpro.
Good job!
EDIT-XREEM
August 17th, 2007 at 8:10 am
Great review! I would just like to know your thoughts on how loud the hard drives/fans are.
August 17th, 2007 at 8:10 am
Thanks! I’ve enjoyed putting this machine through its paces, can’t wait to add a little extra RAM to see how it improves performance, Currently page ins vs page outs are 1:1, should be 20:1.
August 17th, 2007 at 8:13 am
I’ve amended the article with your question.
Both the machine and drives are super quiet, even more so than the Intel iMac’s. The drives are both Seagate for those wondering, occasional writing can be heard on the disk, however I found it very easy to sleep in the same room while the machine is on.
August 17th, 2007 at 8:33 am
Great review love the site and the new show.
August 17th, 2007 at 8:44 am
Good job on the review, but if I was given the choice on an iMac or a Mac Pro, I wouldn’t even hesitate for a second to nab the iMac. The Mac Pro is simply too expensive, and for me absolute overkill.
That’s the thing with computers; they are constantly being updated. Sure, you won’t have to upgrade for quite some time, but when the newest and greatest comes out, can you honestly say you won’t want too? Heck, I’ve been on the same PPC G4 Powerbook for longer than you had both your Macbook and your iMac and I’m fine with that.
Let me try and illustrate my point:
With your specs on the Mac Pro and the cinema display, I would have to spend $5,005 US. And that’s with a gig less of RAM.
OR!
I could buy a 2.8Ghz Core 2 Duo Extreme iMac with a 750gig HD, 2 gigs of RAM for $2,449.00 US. I would have $2,556 left over, and a incredibly powerful machine, with a massive 24 inch screen.
Of course, I would never spend that much money on a computer. If I was given that much money, I would probably buy myself a low end iMac, Canon XTi, iPhone, new Specialized Rockhopper(bike), and put the rest in savings. I just have better things to do with my money than spend it on a computer that I will sit on all day. Even writing this took way to much of my precious time in the sun, but I feel I had to point that out. Peace out, I’m going to turn off my computer for the day and spend some time in the sun!
August 17th, 2007 at 8:56 am
Glenn, can you comment on whether you think the 30inch display was a good investment and was worth it?
August 17th, 2007 at 9:20 am
30″ Apple Cinema Display review will be written in the next couple of weeks. In short, yes, a very worthy investment!
August 17th, 2007 at 10:22 am
Good review Glenn… I don’t know anyone in their right minds who would buy a iMac over a Mac Pro. :-) Better to purchase a 17 inch MacBook Pro and spend time in the sun… rather than own an iMac. Spend time in the sun with your MacBook Pro… now that sounds good. As far as upgradeability… the Mac Pro processors can be upgraded, the hard drives can be upgraded, the optical drives can be upgrade, memory, etc, etc. Heck it even comes with empty PCI slots for you to put nice stuff in. :-)
August 17th, 2007 at 11:19 am
Beautiful setup you have there Glenn! A year ago I bought a 24″ iMac over a Mac Pro. The iMac is wall mounted over my digital piano and for what I use it for its great(Finale, Programming etc).
August 17th, 2007 at 11:33 am
I was going to get a Mac Pro and a 30″ ACD, but after seeing all the parts of
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pU4LloytQyo&mode=related&search=
I’ve come to the conclusion that Macs are crap.
I found this video first because I read macrumors, and there are nothing but posts about problem, and then I found out that the computers are assembled in China. EVEN Dells computers are ASSEMBLED in America. Come on now, the assembly is the most important part. Well I’ve decided to just built a top of the line Windows desktop; which of course blows the Mac away. The only real reason that I was switching to Mac was this screen shot that I saw saying that the text on a Mac is clearer, but it was later found to be doctored.
August 17th, 2007 at 11:43 am
Very nice review as usual, Glenn!
I’m operating a 30″ ACD with my MacBook Pro and there are always 20-30 applications running — this gets slow some times. I’ll eventually upgrade to a Mac Pro in a few months, I’m sure this could speed things up immensely.
August 17th, 2007 at 11:50 am
@Pat: Come on, that’s just poor. This guy doesn’t seem to know what he’s talking about. Maybe both of you should do a little more research, such as actually trying to use Macs?
I don’t think they’re crap ;-)
August 17th, 2007 at 12:01 pm
What are you doing that you need more than 3 GB of ram for?
August 17th, 2007 at 12:10 pm
Great review! I’m thinking of switching to a mac pro from a 24″ imac and i just wanted to know what’s the deal with frontrow i know it’s installed on all tiger systems but can you use it without the IR remote?? and if so is that a hassle?
August 17th, 2007 at 12:51 pm
Nice review Glenn. I think that display is gorgeous. I haven’t had a chance to actually go test drive one at the Apple store, but I’m planning a trip soon. I’m glad you like your Mac Pro, enjoy!
August 17th, 2007 at 1:00 pm
I completely agree. I couldn’t love this Mac Pro any more if I tried, what other Mac will power dual 30″ displays in the future? None. I can even swap out the processors for 8 core chips down the line if I needed more power. Simply amazing.
Thanks! Your setup sounds very nice too, would love to see a picture.
You will see a huge increase in performance with the Mac Pro running all of those applications at once.
Running a lot of applications at once, and I use Aperture very heavily on a daily basis. Page outs are appalling at the moment, a ratio of 1:1 when they should be around 20:1 - meaning more RAM is needed to stop the machine paging out to the HD.
Correct, the Mac Pro ships with Front Row installed but you’ll need to purchase a 3rd party IR received to enable it.
August 17th, 2007 at 1:19 pm
@Pat:
Are you serious? That guy has NO idea what he’s going on about.
Well, yeah, it did when they introduced the iMac - 6 years ago - but now it’s part of their branding. immediately when i-something is mentioned it’s associated with Apple.
I don’t know WHAT the hell he’s talking about here. First of all, innovation isn’t necessarily reinvention. Apple evolve their products all the time. Second, What any of this has to do with the Ford assembly line, I don’t know.
first, Windows uses icons as well. second, you can mouse over the dock, and it will tell you what each symbol is. I don’t think this guy has ever used a mac.
again, if you mouse-over the “coloured circles” in the top corner of a window, the symbols he is talking about will appear. They are not there when you don’t need them, but are there when you are. Makes a lot more sense to me. The dock symbols are not random at all, they are chosen by you as a set of apps that you frequently use.
August 17th, 2007 at 1:42 pm
Andrew Harrison:
Nice. Whoever made that video is quite obviously a moron and has never used a mac.
My personal fave is: “they have final cut pro. well, we have dozens of alternatives to that. adobe premier is easily twice as good as final cut pro”
Stated as if its a common fact. What a tool.
August 17th, 2007 at 9:56 pm
Good to see the wait was worth it :-)
August 17th, 2007 at 11:25 pm
I don’t know how you still could have second thoughts after seeing the new iMac. Sure it looks good, but looks aren’t everything, am I right? The new iMac is nothing groundbreaking in terms of performance, and in fact is no greater speed bump than any of the previous revisions. The graphics card is actually slower than in the last gen (if you opted for the 7600).
And the size of the tower… well, it ain’t no small box. Sure there are towers bigger than it, but I’d say that most consumer towers out there are about the same size, or smaller. The Mac Pro is a BIG piece of aluminum. I agree that the design (internally) is simply stunning though. And the air flow, as you said, is great. It runs very cool, with not too much noise, even under heavy operations.
About your power outages, perhaps you ought to invest in a UPS? I’m not gonna plug my own blog by linking to it, but I recently reviewed a unit from APC. Just click on my name and you’ll find it ;)
Great review overall, and welcome to the family!
August 18th, 2007 at 12:18 am
I can’t wait to see what the new one consists of. If they just simply updated the video card, I wouldn’t have an issue going 2.66 4 cores.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:41 am
All 8 Core, 2.5 GHz, 2.83 GHz, 3.16 GHz. Quote me.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:28 am
Nice review, Glenn. Does the Mac Pro become hot while working with so many applications at the same time?
August 18th, 2007 at 5:56 am
Glenn, heres my wall mounted iMac: http://www.flickr.com/photos/slh06/330081613/
August 18th, 2007 at 9:05 am
Actually you can access it from the keyboard if need be using apple + esc and you won’t need a remote if you have a fancy new wireless apple keyboard.
August 18th, 2007 at 10:10 am
@Pat, that made me laugh s much I nearly dropped my coffee. Are you on drugs?
August 18th, 2007 at 11:21 am
@ everybody who said that the guy in the videos has no idea what hes talking about
Yes… he has a fully rigged out Mac Pro and has showed all the errors he talks about, I guess he doesn’t. I mean, I was going to get a Mac, until I read the Macrumors forums, so then I also youtubed Mac vs PC and found that. I see no reason to pay a HEAVY premium for something that can’t be upgraded, works a lot worse, needs constant payment for maintenance (new OS’s) even though they don’t add anything worth the money, need to buy a whole new PC for the next upgrade (examples of this are G5 to Pro, LMFAO?)
I mean, if Macs didn’t have all those problems and weren’t assembled in very bad Chinese facilities, I don’t care if they’re assembled in china, but they at least have to be assembled properly, then I would have bought a 30″ ACD and MacBook Pro, but I really don’t want to be sent to the “genius bar” when my computers starts hitting the shitter due to faulty OS, software, and hardware that is all controlled by Macintosh.
You see, I provided facts and proof, all you guys could say is are you on drugs or that guy has no idea what hes talking about. Well he disproved all the stupid comments that were made to him, and he has a top of the line Mac Pro, and he VIDEO TAPED all the problems he was getting.
I also found out about x86, so if the Macs ever get half decent, then I can just build my own Mac Pro for about $1000 with a nicer Silverstone or Lian Li case, or even better, ebay the brand new from an RMA for $90.
August 18th, 2007 at 11:22 am
Simply put, disprove ONE THING that the man on Youtube said in his what, 26 videos?
August 18th, 2007 at 11:25 am
One more thing; when 80% of the posts on the forum of largest Mac fan site are all problems, then you know somethings DEFINITELY wrong.
August 18th, 2007 at 11:39 am
Just ordered another 2GB RAM for the Mac Pro for a total of 5GB now. Hopefully page outs will cease.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:10 pm
Pat: Did you not read Andrews post? He disproved about a half dozen.
Send me an email dustin.cook [at] mac.com and send me anything he says that you want me to disprove.
August 18th, 2007 at 7:12 pm
@pat: be careful with the forum analogy re faults. You see forums are really designed for people with problems - that is why thay are there. Would be a bit like an alien coming to earth and only going into a hospital. He would report back that all people on earth were ill.
August 19th, 2007 at 1:09 am
@pat: The only people that dislike Macs are the ones that can’t afford one. Your problem is looking at Mac Pro’s when you should be looking at Mac Mini’s or a PowerMac G4. Readjust your ambition and I’m sure you will find some computing peace. I should warn you though… if you build that cheap PC.. it won’t prevent you from comparing it to a Mac. And when you really think about it.. that is the definition of insanity.
August 19th, 2007 at 5:14 pm
makes me want a mac pro even more.
August 24th, 2007 at 5:01 am
Problem. Its a Mac. Nuff’ Said.
August 24th, 2007 at 5:11 am
Glenn: Great review - Love the indepth details!
Offtopic: Where did you get those great desk lamps?
August 24th, 2007 at 5:24 am
Thanks Glenn great review - i’m not sure now weather to replace my current iMac G5 with a new iMac or to spend the extra and get a Mac Pro.
August 24th, 2007 at 5:26 am
Where’s the iPhone in the picture? Nice setup. Get ready to get more memory if you go crazy with Parallels/Fusion.
August 24th, 2007 at 5:53 am
Great review and a great little setup you have there. The 30″ monitors are delicious. I am working on getting 2x 30″ displays side-by-side. Why on earth I’d need that much real estate,pure indulgence.
If you feel so inclined then check out my blog @ http://www.myosxfreeware.com for, of course FREEWARE for ya Mac!
I blog daily on the new and recently updated apps released for our scene.
Ace
August 24th, 2007 at 7:00 am
Thanks for the nice review. I wish you tested this with some more robus applications like motions, compressor etc….
http://www.MostOfMyMac.com
August 24th, 2007 at 7:04 am
get a life
August 24th, 2007 at 7:20 am
Where did you get your 32 GB max RAM stat?
“Unparalleled expansion
Mac Pro accommodates up to four drives and 3TB of storage, offers eight DIMM slots to fill with up to 16GB of RAM…”
That’s from http://www.apple.com/macpro/
Sure, you can throw 4GB DIMMs in there, but I would think that if it would work well - Apple would be quick to tout it on their website. I think the issue with the 4GB DIMMs is heat - they will run hotter than hell.
August 24th, 2007 at 8:14 am
Hi,
What is that CPU monitoring application you posted a screenshot of? It looks very nice :)
August 24th, 2007 at 8:19 am
Good review. I was a Windows user for 20 years, then used a Mac Pro at a friends house, and immediately bought one for myself. 2 GB ram, 750 GB HD, and dual display cards, so I can run a 30 inch display plus two 21 inch displays (1200×1600 vertical format, one on either side of the 2560×1600 30 inch)- total screen resolution 4960×1600. Total cost for this system was under $6000. (The monitors are Dell though, so I saved a bit of cash there, even though one monitor was defective and had to be returned for replacement.)
I’m always amused when people say “That’s too much to pay for a computer!” Heh heh, I’m an old-timer, and I remember back in the 1980’s and 90s when a bottom-line computer cost about $3000, and the machine you want was always somewhere between $5000 and $10,000 !!! Silly kids. Now I’m happy to pay $6000 for a computer that blows people’s socks off when they see it! Of course, I always keep an animated screensaver running in the background while I work, and the darn machine never slows down. I love it.
What I’m running- Screensaver in background, NeoOffice, Photoshop, Parallels, Safari/Firefox/Opera side-by-side (I’m a web developer, IE and Fireefox are also running in Parallels) - this is why I need so much screen space. MySQL, Apache and PHP also enabled, and network file sharing is enabled so my employees can share files via the Mac (Never did get that working right in Windows…) Itunes (for atmosphere) Icalendar and several terminal windows. All simultaneously. It’s a beautiful thing.
August 24th, 2007 at 9:02 am
I asked the rep at apple (From there online chat feature) if I could upgrade my processors and swap them out to 8 cores if i needed it in the future. They said i cannot upgrade the processors if I go with the 2.66ghz right now then I can not get 3Ghz later for the Mac PRO. Does anyone know if this is a true statement?
August 24th, 2007 at 9:06 am
Glenn, great review. I just got the same Mac Pro and I’ve bumped RAM to 7gb and storage to 1tb - it’s an awesome machine.
A little off topic, but I’m dying to know what your desk lights are and how I can get my hands on some. :-)
August 24th, 2007 at 9:16 am
Glenn, you need an FAQ! The most common question so far is where did you get those desk lamps from. And we all know that that is your favorite question! :)
And if you were wondering:
“I bought these lamps at a place called “Lighting Plus” in New Zealand”
Which also explains why Glenn doesn’t have an iPhone!
August 24th, 2007 at 9:35 am
Hey, nice review Glenn. I was thinking on getting a MacBook Pro, but i really like the big screen and i think i will decide for the same setup as you. Its simply amazing the 30″ Display and all that ram, simply amazing.
August 24th, 2007 at 9:45 am
Hello Glenn,
I would love to read on how you are able to keep your desk / workspace so clean and free of clutter and how you maintain it. Thank you.
August 24th, 2007 at 9:56 am
I have a very similar setup (2.66 Mac Pro with 250G & 500G Seagates, 2G RAM and a 20 and 23 inch set of Cinema Displays hooked up) and have been doing some heavy reading on the RAM benchmarks with various configs. Alot of what I’ve read indicates that the Mac Pros like even numbers of indentical amounts of RAM and that 2G and 3G were producing almost the same benchmarks. You might want to just go up to 4G instead of jumping to 5…. I use the machine for video editing and music production and it’s fine with 2G. I was flirting with going up to 3G until I did some research. Let me find the benchmark tests and I’ll post the links here.
Great site and I like the calming setup you’ve got!
August 24th, 2007 at 9:58 am
I bought these lamps at a place called “Lighting Plus” in New Zealand. I’m not too sure if they are available overseas, best bet would be to try this designer furniture store. http://dwr.com/
Spend the extra and go all the way, the Mac Pro is an amazing machine.
iPhone will be on the desk when it lands in New Zealand next year. Just added an extra 2GB of RAM yesterday, have a total of 5GB now.
I have one, do you? :-)
It’s called iStat Menus.
They didn’t have their facts right, you CAN swap out the processors to the current line of Intel Clovertown 8 cores, not sure about the next transition, but the max you can put in the machine today is the 8 core 3.00Ghz chip.
As above. I bought these lamps at a place called “Lighting Plus” in New Zealand. I’m not too sure if they are available overseas, best bet would be to try this designer furniture store. http://dwr.com/ - I’m working on a FAQ right after answering these comments.
Expect a post next week, keep your eye out, I’l send you an email when I publish it!
August 24th, 2007 at 10:05 am
Check out the FAQ here. Still a work in progress.
August 24th, 2007 at 11:13 am
I’ve got the stock mac pro, I did not get the 2gb upon purchase, and added my own ram to it. I have 1,3tb hdd now and 5gb ram. Upgrading is a snap and the machine is totally worth the money. Production is awesome. I have pictures of the hdd and ram upgrades on my blog gallery on http://www.virb.com/vbulletin/photos
August 24th, 2007 at 12:35 pm
Just discovered your review. I’m always looking out for what others say about the Mac Pro. I’ve had mine for almost three months and it has made a super difference in my workflow, even though I working with only 2gigs of RAM. I plan to had more RAM and internal drives, but I’m waiting til Leopard comes out, at which time I might do a RAID of my installed drives.
August 24th, 2007 at 1:11 pm
would advise someone who never own a mac before to get the Mac pro. I have been using pc for the past 12 years and I want to get into mac.
August 24th, 2007 at 1:17 pm
This aint worth shiznit. Meh sonie vaiho kicks this thing. Eat some modafuggin fried chicken n watamelon 2nite bissiches. SONIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PeaCe JiggAH
August 24th, 2007 at 1:22 pm
Ace Boon Coon! Tis laptop is one good one mon. Tis be the one I always use. I couda not run my business mon witout dis baby.
Lahooooooda!
My choice mon.
Jamacia Queen mon
August 24th, 2007 at 2:18 pm
Good subjects on the review.
I upgraded from a G4 to the 8 Core 3Ghz MacPro. Stunning speed on the applications that count. Adobe CS3 Suite. Graphic Design work.
This is my home system and It out classes my work system. 2 Gigs of RAM for the type of Photoshop work I do is not enough and too slow.
I chose 4 gigs of Ram so that I have the RAM in Quad sets. Everything I read said the speed from the Quad sets was worth it and the next step up to put the Ram in Quads wasn’t worth the expense.
I am very happy with my system. Runs Windows in Parallels very nicely.
August 24th, 2007 at 5:20 pm
I love my Mac Pro, but…
About the only negative things I have to say about it involve the video cards. I ordered the two nVidia 7300GT cards, only to find out after the fact that they do NOT work in parallel with each other under OSX (called SLi mode in Windows-speak). Under BootCamp they work fine, but I’d love to see more oomph under OSX.
And where are the video upgrades? There’s a whole new generation of cards by nVidia and ATI out there, I’d love to see some movement in this area.
My only other real beef (and it’s not with Apple): Parallels isn’t DirectX 9 compliant yet. They say they are to a certain degree, but I’ve yet to see a DX9 game run, and I’ve tried about a dozen random titles.
Other than that? PURE LOVE. I’m running some heavy apps at the moment, with only 2Gb of RAM and no slow down (Opera, OpenOffice, Audion 3, Disk Order, Bittorrent, Parallels (with Win2K Pro, running 2 DOS sessions, Opera, Crimson Editor and Stella), TextWrangler, and BlitzMax. 92% CPU idle but only 29Mb free ;)
August 24th, 2007 at 6:50 pm
Really nice setup there - just wondering if you’ve thought about using a basic RAID solution - using say RAID 0 (with a separate backup drive of course.) It really makes a difference, especially if you use Raptors.
The RAM is indeed a funny one - it’s *best* if it’s installed in matched quads to get the highest performance e.g. 4×512MB or 4×2GB etc. Sounds like we should have been investing in memory chip manufacturers, since you have to buy 4x as much RAM ;-)
August 24th, 2007 at 8:52 pm
I have thought about it, but I wont be making any decisions until Leopard is released and I can get a backup plan into action.
August 25th, 2007 at 2:46 am
Nice review.
Just a note: never go with a ‘basic’ RAID 0 solution. If you value your content spend the extra dough and buy a decent RAID 5 card, may seem like a hefty investment at first, but trust me, it’s worth it! A year ago I had all of my office’s data on a 3TB RAID 0 array, I came into the office one day to find that somehow the array had become corrupted! I started panicking, I thought I had lost everything. The culprit was a faulty memory chip on the card, once it was replaced I was able to rescue my data. Once was enough for me, I’ve learned my lesson — you have to have parity if you value your content.
I’d have to agree with everyone thus far, go Pro. Go Pro and never look back! Again, it’s definitely a great investment. The best part is you can keep filling the machine with hardware. I’d also recommend the Dual 3.0Ghz if you have the extra cash (that’s Quad not Octo), I definitely notice the performance boost. You wouldn’t think a measly 400Mhz/chip would make a huge difference, but it does. I’d also recommend that you max out and buy as much RAM as you can, we have one machine with 16GB (all others have 8GB) and it flies. The ATI card is far superior to the base NVIDIA model and is actually faster in Motion (in our tests at least) than the Quadro card. All our machines except 1 have the Quadro card.
For those doubters out there I have to say this, our small studio has 8 Mac Pro’s, 7 of those 8 machines dual boot OS X and Win XP x64! We haven’t had a single issue, no crashing, no “blue screens of death,” nada, zip, zilch — these things are rock solid. I recommend them to all my colleagues now. The bottom line is that they give you excellent bang for your buck and you can have the best of both worlds with little or no compromise — depends on your needs. All in all, no problems to report.
I should also state that, previously, I was a hard core PC addict (been in the CG world for about 12 years now) — my first Mac purchase was a 12″ Powerbook which I subsequently sold 6 months after purchasing because — at the time — there simply weren’t any CAD/CAM or Viz tools to use on it. My second purchase came with the introduction of the first Intel round of MacBook Pro’s. I’m writing to you on this very notebook now. Since the purchase of this machine and the introduction of Boot Camp I would clasify myself as a switcher. I use OS X more than I ever have before and I’m enjoying the benefits of 8 freakishly powerful two-headed monsters.
Bottom line: they’re great machines, and I couldn’t ask for more. There are some minor quams I have, but not major enough to deter me kicking them to the curb. Nothing i perfect.
August 25th, 2007 at 2:53 am
Oops. Almost forgot. Go for the 30″ Cinema Display. The colour rendering, cd/m2 and dot pitch are worth it. Creates stunning images and you can’t put a price on the amount of productivity gain due to an increase of screen realestate. Great product. Although we did have to send one back because the pixels were fading in one of the lower corners. But this is what Apple Care is for, get a new one for free, no questions asked!
August 25th, 2007 at 4:51 am
Personally I wish someone would write a good article on the topic of RAID and the Mac Pro. I’ve read pros and cons about RAID 0 solution and I still cannot make up my mind. My goal is to do some sort of RAID set up after Leopard comes out.
August 25th, 2007 at 5:00 am
Bakari — you’re better off building yourself a really cheap RAID server box. You don’t have many expansion bays in a Mac Pro (only 3 minus the boot). Will write an article on this at my blog once I get our new server up and running.
Stay tuned for link.
August 25th, 2007 at 6:27 am
How much did this badboy set you back? What kind of gfx card does it have? It is a beautiful machine and you wrote a very nice review of it but here comes the pc loving naysayer… I just built my new rig before the quad cores dropped in price. So I bought a 2.4 ghz c2 duo. Put together a system minus video card and hard drive for 900.00 thats also inculding a water cooling setup for overclocking. So for 900.00 I got 4 gigs of 1066 ddr2 a 3.2 ghz c2d processor. This system with 500 gb hard drive an nvidia 8800 512 mb video card and case w power supply would run 1550. Also replace my e6600 with the q6600 and you have a quad core considering the quad is now the same price I paid for the dual, overclocking is lower on the quad but you can reach 3.0 ghz on a stable overclock with watercooling easy.
So there you have it, add x64 operating system and you have a machine with 4 gigs of 1066 ram, 3.0 ghz quad core c2d, nvidia 8800 512mb video card all for 1650.00 “not including rebates which easily total over 200.00.”
So I have to ask again… How much did this rig cost?
It’s my only problem with apple nowadays, the cost, I can build two of those computers in pc format for the cost of one apple and have higher clocks…
August 25th, 2007 at 6:45 am
The one I got is a stock one, I believe it’s just under 2500. The ram on Apple.com is $300 for 1gb, I purchased 4GB for $300 at a local shop. The hard drives I have are 250gb, and added seagate 7200.10 ones to it, 320($100) and 750 ($225). So bout 3100, but I won’t change workstation for years now. Any new systems in my place are additional macs.
August 25th, 2007 at 6:54 am
Two 3.0GHz Dual-Core Intel Xeon, 16GB RAM, 750GB SATA, NVIDIA Quadro FX 4500, 30″ Apple Cinema HD Display. Ready?
$8700.00 CAD (Give or take a few pennies)
I think this is pretty good for such a powerful computer. Then again, I’m using it to make money, not to play games, so certified workstation components (video, drives, etc) and support are incredibly important to me. I’m willing to pay more for top notch service. Plus, I get to write off a percentage of all my hardware.
August 25th, 2007 at 10:43 am
I was really glad to see what you thought. I am considering upgrading. I currently design and do all my web development on the last Generation PowerMac but would really like to run the new intel possessor so I can take advantage of the speed and also the ability of testing on more than one platform. Would be nice to run Windows and OS X.
I may wait. We are so close to Sept Announcements from Apple and 10.5 comes out in October. May wait to see if the upgrade anything and also get the new os bundled with the machine.
Thanks for the Review Very helpful.
-Matthew
August 25th, 2007 at 2:12 pm
i started with the mac-mini ’cause i didn’t want to invest in a “maybe” with apple. now that i have officially switched (for some reason, just more fun than my vista machine) i am eyeing those new imacs. decked out i can do well for ~3g
and, although tempting, it’s mega expensive for a mac pro. easy to go > 5g and still be stuck with my old screen (spend less and what’s the point). your review was a real teaser though. nice review! get as much ram as you can, is a rule to live by.
gonna sit on the fence just a little while longer. iMac vs Mac Pro??? I do love speed =)
August 25th, 2007 at 6:14 pm
I actually wrote an article surrounding this recently titled 4 Reasons Why The Mac Pro Rules The iMac.
August 26th, 2007 at 7:01 am
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August 26th, 2007 at 9:01 pm
If you need more than 3 gigs of ram, you are either a 3d character animator dealing with large, complex scenes or you are a VFX artist doing heavy particle or fluid simulations for the entertainment industry.
August 26th, 2007 at 9:15 pm
@Dean: Or you have to work with and switch between many apps constantly. My MacBook Pro is equipped with the maximum of RAM, 2GB — it’s not enough for my needs, I always have swap files between 2 and 4 GB… The bigger the swap file, the slower the system.
August 27th, 2007 at 1:53 am
Great Mac Pro review, Glenn. Really enjoyed it. Only I wish I have money to buy the entire Mac Pro system. I’m stuck with Mac G4/1.25 GHZ MDD.:( Probably may buy an used Mac Pro five years from now.
August 27th, 2007 at 2:04 am
Dean/Julian: VFX artists aren’t the only ones that need the RAM. Us architects need it too. If you’ve ever tried to design and build a large building with CATIA you’d know where I’m coming from. Not only that but converting the CATIA geometry to something usable for visualization also takes a fair bit of memory — depending on the complexity of your project. You don’t skinny out of memory when you’re using an application that costs more than $100,000.
August 27th, 2007 at 6:25 pm
Glenn, thanks for your response about the RAID box. I’ve never heard of it and I look forward reading your article about it. Also, I’m wondering if I add another two gigs of RAM (4 total) to my Pro how much better performance can I expect? Slight or significant? Working mostly in Aperture and Photoshop I still get some sluggish performance out of the Pro, including the devilish beach ball. I can actually hear the Pro grinding when it has to open up external drives or albums in Aperture. I think some of it has to do with me having five external drives plugged into my computer so that computer has to work harder at accessing stuff. Is anyone else experiencing this problem? Don’t get me wrong, the Pro is fast but I know it could do a lot better.
August 28th, 2007 at 11:11 pm
Thought I would share a little bit about my mac pro’s disc config, for those interested in having the best of performance, capacity, and redundancy - it might be just what you are looking for.
First thing I did was configure my mac pro on the Apple store with a 250 gb drive. You could get a larger one if you wanted, but it suits my needs perfectly. More on that in a sec.
I then purchased 3 additional drives (not from the Apple store) so they were ready to install when the machine arrived. They were two (2) 146 10,000rpm WD Raptors, and one (1) 1TB Hitachi deskstar.
When the machine arrived I pulled the 250 gb default drive from Apple out of bay 1. Into bay 1 and 2 went the WD Raptors.
Booting from CD and using the disk utility, I created a RAID0 array of the two WD Raptors, I labeled this array “boot”, but you could also label it “Macintosh HD”, if you like, which I guess is the default. Together these disks will show up as one 278GB drive. That is plenty for my apps and documents, project files, etc.
I had placed the 1TB drive into bay 3, and the original Apple drive into bay 4. These were labeled “Data” and “Backup” respectively.
The result has been very good. I have my OS and Apps on a screaming fast disk…which is actually of course two disks…but nonetheless, it appears and is used exactly as if it is one. It has proven very good for performance.
I moved my music, movies, and downloads directory out of my home directory and onto Data. There are aliases to these in my Home directory, so it’s pretty seamless. I toyed with the idea of keeping my entire home dir on this drive, but don’t do it. It will cause problems eventually. (I tried)
The last drive is used only for hosting an image of my boot drive. It is an exact, working copy of my boot disk. It is updated every morning at 4am using superduper smartupdate. It is fully bootable, and contains an exact copy of my OS, Apps, and home directory (documents, client records, etc - invaluable stuff!) It is not a high performance disk, but in the event of a failure in my Raid array, I can be up and running in literally seconds.
I boot up using this disk once a month or so, just to confirm it is working and up-to-date.
Now, there is a missing element to this you might have noticed. One is that I have not said anything about backup of Data. The other is a 2nd backup of Boot, to be safe. For this I use a ReadyNas NV+ with 4×500 gb drives in a RAIDX Array, so 1.3 TB in total. This hosts backups of all media from data, as well as drive images of Boot. Just in case. It also serves media to the rest of the house.
Without the NAS you could also use an external USB drive to backup Data, and to host a 2nd backup of Boot.
Whew. Hope this made sense.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:37 am
I can’t — for the life of me — figure out why people persist on using local raid storage at all. Anything directly attached to your machine has a ridiculously high chance of becoming corrupt, or even worse becoming filled with damaged disk sectors. The HFS+ file schema is outdated and susceptible to too many unrecoverable disk errors. Plus, using RAID 0 is just asking for trouble.
Last year at WWDC I asked an Apple Tech if I was just unlucky or if there was indeed a problem within the fs. He confirmed that there were issues Apple was looking into — hence all the excitement about ZFS. I had told him how a few of our workstations had gone through disks repeatedly (never buy WD disks, they’re garbage when used intensly). In the end he recommended different “scale” disks. Since then I’ve been buying the cheap 250GB drive that “trackpad” mentioned and have been pulling them entirely and replacing them with Enterprise class Seagate drives.
Our storage server (running Linux) has 8TB in a RAID 5 config and hosts all nightly snapshots of our workstations as well as our files (mostly HD animation). Obviously this is not necessary for the average home user but I would suggest MINIMUM 3 disks in a RAID 5 config on a cheap box (rack or otherwise) as a permanent solution.
Stay away from local storage at all costs! All Macs come with 1Gbe cards now, speed is not that much of a concern (if you do your backups at night). If you think about it long and hard there should never be any reason at all why you would need local storage unless your just an occasional desktop user, in which case, you wouldn’t have a Mac Pro to begin with.
More thoughts (and an article on building a solid rack unit) on RAID to come…
August 29th, 2007 at 2:17 am
The reason is performance. Disk I/O with two, 10,000 RPM drives working together is quite good, especially when used as a scratch space.
I quite agree that out of box backup is a must have. My nightly images onto an internal disk are more to do with drive failure (death) than corruption. Because they *are* WD’s :-) after all. When one of the disks in my RAID array goes I need to be able to boot quickly from the backup and be up and running again quickly. I can replace the failed disk, re-mirror and then restore from backup or from the network.
I am also backing up everything to a NAS. But those are images, which are a little more time consuming to restore. This is the 3rd Mac Pro I’ve had configured with RAID 0, no problems so far though I would argue with the notion that HFS+ is outdated.
Look forward to hear more ideas from you and others as to how the balance performance with capacity and redundancy. I am sure this setup can be improved upon.
September 4th, 2007 at 10:59 am
Great review and excellent thread everyone!
(aside for the PC/Mac debate section - ignorance and arrogance are terrible partners… )
:-o
Glenn,
How do you like the Logitech® diNovo Edge? It looks stunning!
Also, is it difficult to get used to the swapped Apple/Windows key issue and have you had any incompatibilities?
September 4th, 2007 at 2:43 pm
Although I’ve moved on on the new Apple Keyboard (with a wireless still on order), I love the diNovo Edge - I actually managed to get pas the Windows/Apple key rather painlessly, it didn’t take long at all to get used to.
September 7th, 2007 at 1:12 pm
Glen, I am wondering how you are using odd ram configurations such as 3gb, 5gb etc. I thought I understood that Mac Pro required matched sets of Ram. Thus, if you purchase with 1gb and want to upgrade to say 4gb, you must pull the 1gb ram and instal a matched set of 4 (2gb on each bus). Thanx for explanation. Like others, the lamps are very cool!
September 7th, 2007 at 2:55 pm
David, as far as I understand you are correct. You can choose not to install in matched pairs I think but then you significantly impair performance. 4, 8, or 16GB are from everything I have read the best possible configurations for a mac pro.
Great guide:
http://diglloyd.com/diglloyd/free/MacPro/memory.html
Another resource:
http://www.barefeats.com/quad09.html
BTW, I just upgraded mine from 4 to 8 and it’s fantastic. Huge difference if you regularly work in Photoshop, Final Cut, and other Pro apps simultaneously. I have yet to see any page outs and performance is greatly improved.
September 7th, 2007 at 5:00 pm
I use Final Cut Pro almost daily and Logic Pro frequently.
I am at the gate of getting either 2.66, 3.0. with 8gb.
Or wait for the new release that may emerge in October.
Any thoughts on 2.66, 3.0, or wait?
tx
September 7th, 2007 at 5:49 pm
The Mac Pro came with 1GB (2×512MB) and RAM does need to be installed in pairs. I first added 2 x 1GB, then another 2 x 1GB.
Wait for the next release in November this year (my guess). If you can’t wait, pick up the best you can purchase out of the 2.66 4 core, or 3.00 8 core. 3.00Ghz 4 core is just a plain rip off for the difference in price.
September 8th, 2007 at 3:32 am
Wait if you can, but be prepared to wait a long time. I waited 2 years for new cinema displays before finally breaking down :-)
I would have waited on my Mac Pro if I didn’t have a project that required it. Agree with Glenn 100%. Go for the 4 X 2.66 or 8 X 3.0.
If you can’t afford 8 cores now, remember the processor can be upgraded later. Definitely get the full 8 GB of RAM. I got 4 from Apple and 4 from crucial. Good service, their DIMM’s are almost identical and function great.
September 8th, 2007 at 2:59 pm
Thanx Glen & Track Pad for you comments. My 2 beefy G4s still perform well with no hiccups. I stay busy, thank God, but I need to move into the new world…it is really the issue of, am I on the tail end NOW with the current gear, or will the new gear be just faster, or will it be a new design with the intro of Leopard?
Have a great day!
d
September 8th, 2007 at 10:59 pm
If you are mulling an update - definitely wait. Intel’s new Penryn chipset and bus architecture will launch in the fall I think, and will probably be making it’s way to a Mac Pro near you sometime between November and January. It will perform on average maybe %15 to %35 better than today’s Mac Pro - depending of course on what you have today and what your tasking it with.
Penryn is a significant overhaul of the chipset and FSB, if you are questioning whether to wait - wait. Like I said, I had a specific job that required the horsepower of something todays Mac Pro could easily offer, otherwise I probably could have managed to limp along with my MBP until then.
That said. You can buy a Mac Pro today and be enjoying it, well, *today*. I love mine and plan on keeping her for the next two or three years. Look how long your G4’s have stayed relevant.
http://blogs.intel.com/technology/2007/04/penryn.html
The Mac Pro is probably also soon due for a design overhaul, though I’ve thought the same thing about the last 2 iterations of the Mac Book Pro and that hasn’t happened. This could be a good thing or a bad thing. The Mac Pro’s case is stunning (sans the giant apple logo on the side), and brilliantly engineered.
September 9th, 2007 at 12:24 am
Thanx for the info Trackpad. I am leaning toward waiting until December and see what happens. I can manage with my G4s until then. I have 2 large projects in late Jan 2008 that I could do on the G4s. But They will occur in a tight time slot (using FCP and Logic). Thus, I am wanting more render muscle. If there is nothing new by Christmas, I will make a decision then.
October 4th, 2007 at 12:46 pm
Wow, lots of comments on this post… :P
I was looking into getting a Mac Pro when the updated version comes out, but I’m debating what the right amount of RAM is. Right now I’m on a MacBook Pro with 2GB and that’s enough for now. However, I am getting into Logic Studio/Final Cut studio work. When I get the Mac Pro, I am debating whether to get 4GB or 6GB of RAM to start off with. How do you find your 5GB? Was there a big difference in performance between the 4GB and 5GB?
October 10th, 2007 at 2:51 pm
Every time I go into my local Apple Store, I stare at the 30″ display. WOW, I could just stay there all day. I usually open up Google, and look at it in “full screen” (Maximized; oh wait, thats a Windows term, isn’t it?). Wow, I just dream… Then I look at the specs of the machine, and wow, it blows me away. I can’t wait for the day I get my Mac Pro and 30″ Display.
October 21st, 2007 at 4:01 pm
i really would like to know how hard it would be to upgrade my 4/2.66 to an 8/3.0. or if its worth it.
October 21st, 2007 at 5:03 pm
Does anyone know if the current mac pro will be upgradable to the new penryn chips or are we basically going to have to buy a entire new mac pro?
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